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  • MattiM Offline
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    Matti Solibrians
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    @JSN

    Would this be OK?

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      replied to Matti on last edited by JSN
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      @Matti-Kannala The tooltip seems to be good. Not sure if witdh already was increased a bit and flexible adaptability in terms of dynamic size adjustments are already considered.

      Edit: @Matti-Kannala Btw could it be that maybe it’s also the time for … https://society.solibri.com/topic/997/new-filter-ito-duplicate-existing ? 😉

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        @Matti-Kannala I find the tooltips extremely impractical. They disappear after a short time and you can almost never read them completely. This is also the case with the tools - you always have to hover over the tool several times to read everything.

        • Why is there a timinig in the tooltips?
        • Why are they not simply displayed until you move the mouse? That doesn’t make any sense, does it?

        If the tooltips would be displayed longer, then that would be a way. Otherwise it is not really practical. Why don’t you just widen the field?

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          I don’t want that I need to view the tooltip to read the title. The title needs to be visible right away, because otherwise it would only add more time to choose your ITO. For the description the tooltip can be used, but it needs the improvements that @Mario mentions.

          The best for me would be that the width of the ITO chooser can be changed by the user, and that it retains that width.

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            @Ricardo said in Names of ITOs are getting trunca...:

            I don’t want that I need to view the tooltip to read the title. The title needs to be visible right away, because otherwise it would only add more time to choose your ITO. For the description the tooltip can be used, but it needs the improvements that @Mario mentions.

            The best for me would be that the width of the ITO chooser can be changed by the user, and that it retains that width.

            Totally agree with that, better would be if the width well be automatically adjusted to the width of the longest ITO name. If not we need to be able to set width, and it should keep that width.
            Keeping width of columns and elements should be a basic thing in ITO and INFO windows. Unfortunately it isn’t.

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              Thanks for the feedback.

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                @Matti-Kannala

                The tooltip is a great help but the titles are still getting truncated - at least for me.
                I can only repeat what others have already have mentioned:

                I don’t want that I need to view the tooltip to read the title. The title needs to be visible right away, because otherwise it would only add more time to choose your ITO. For the description the tooltip can be used, but it needs the improvements that @Mario mentions.
                The best for me would be that the width of the ITO chooser can be changed by the user, and that it retains that width.!

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                  @JSN

                  We did improve it a bit from 25 to 35 letter. Yes it is still truncated.
                  This was just small and easy improvement, not full fix.

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                    @Matti-Kannala said in Names of ITOs are getting trunca...:

                    This was just small and easy improvement, not full fix.

                    So this means it is still on the list?

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                      @Matti-Kannala

                      What about a totally independent window for all available ITOs where someone can choose it’s own size and has a much better overview. Switching between the various ITOs would be much faster as well. Probably it is even possible with the API to create such a view on my own. There is a getItoDefinitions method but no setItoDefinition one and I guess ‘calculate’ does not exactly do what I have in mind. Still, had not time to try it out so would be good to know if this could work.
                      https://solibri.github.io/Developer-Platform/latest/javadoc/com/solibri/smc/api/ito/InformationTakeoff.html

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                        Pasi Paasiala Solibrians
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                        I created an internal issue about this. Let’s see what we can do.

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                          @Pasi-Paasiala said in Names of ITOs are getting trunca...:

                          I created an internal issue about this. Let’s see what we can do.

                          What can be done?

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                            Pasi Paasiala Solibrians
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                            This might be fixed in the next release. An issue is progress. Fingers crossed.

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                              @Pasi-Paasiala said in Names of ITOs are getting trunca...:

                              This might be fixed in the next release. An issue is progress. Fingers crossed.

                              Eureka! Even better if also this could be implemented >>>

                              What about a totally independent window for all available ITOs where someone can choose it’s own size and has a much better overview. Switching between the various ITOs would be much faster as well. Probably it is even possible with the API to create such a view on my own. There is a getItoDefinitions method but no setItoDefinition one and I guess ‘calculate’ does not exactly do what I have in mind. Still, had not time to try it out so would be good to know if this could work.

                              https://solibri.github.io/Developer-Platform/latest/javadoc/com/solibri/smc/api/ito/InformationTakeoff.html

                              An addtionaly method in the interface for setItoDefinition would be highly appreciated. Calculate only seems to switch to a given <ItoDefinition> if there really was a recalculation performed … so my workaround to improve the usability for working with lots of ITOs is not really satisfying me so far.

                              Btw, the returned descriptiption is returning html, not really a problem …

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                              … but maybe more convenient if it is plain text by default?

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                              And the names are ignoring some special chars either like the _?

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                                Not sure where I have mentioned it before but as switching through lots of ITOs is, … well, like it is, I would definitely favor buttons to at least be able to quickly switch between the previous and the next ITO …

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                                Would have tinkered it togehter myself but the above explains what’s keeping me from it …

                                An addtionaly method in the interface for setItoDefinition would be highly appreciated. Calculate only seems to switch to a given <ItoDefinition> if there really was a recalculation performed … so my workaround to improve the usability for working with lots of ITOs is not really satisfying me so far.

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                                  Having to work with ITOs a lot again and it reminds me everytime of those things … in a file with lots of ITOs (even if they are well named and structured, which is truly not always the case) it feels like looking through a tiny keyhole. Due to the lack of ITO-management features, truncated information, a tiny dropdown menu, missing navigation features (< and >) lots of repetive tasks and clicks are necessary … even if someone has three screens on his desk the software would not allow him to unleash the full potentials and clearly limits us here.

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                                  E.g. think about deleting many ITOs in a smc file with lots of ITOs which have been created over the time. It feels like a punishment as I always have to select the next one from the drop down menu first once one gets removed as it always automatically jumps back to the list. Please make this better or at least add more methods to the API so that I can at least build my own ITO-Management-View!

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                                    @JSN Thanks for making this issue clear with the illustration! I’ve reported an enhancement request for this.

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                                      Any chances to see improvements on this matter with the upcoming release?

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                                        @JSN said in Names of ITOs are getting trunca...:

                                        Not sure where I have mentioned it before but as switching through lots of ITOs is, … well, like it is, I would definitely favor buttons to at least be able to quickly switch between the previous and the next ITO …

                                        532fcf50-254e-4f80-885b-bc13499da1dc-image.png

                                        Would have tinkered it togehter myself but the above explains what’s keeping me from it …

                                        An addtionaly method in the interface for setItoDefinition would be highly appreciated. Calculate only seems to switch to a given <ItoDefinition> if there really was a recalculation performed … so my workaround to improve the usability for working with lots of ITOs is not really satisfying me so far.

                                        its-been84years-titanic.gif

                                        … not in real life, but for sure when it comes to software engineering, project management and cat years.

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                                          @JSN said in Names of ITOs are getting trunca...:

                                          An addtionaly method in the interface for setItoDefinition would be highly appreciated. Calculate only seems to switch to a given <ItoDefinition> if there really was a recalculation performed … so my workaround to improve the usability for working with lots of ITOs is not really satisfying me so far.

                                          At the very least, please allow us to improve the usability ourselves.

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