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    @marchi said in Rule Report Order:

    Maybe this was already mentioned, but I could not find it…

    You will probably finde some more information about the “logic” of the sort order in those topics.

    https://society.solibri.com/topic/1309/result-summary-excel-report-and-the-lost-gatekeeper-rules/2
    https://society.solibri.com/topic/674/output-in-report-of-result-summary/9

    tl;dr: I guess there is none but try to select all of your rules when exporting.

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      @jsn

      it is, as mentioned, affected by the Timestamp when this rule was added. I tried to run the test with an activated/deactivated gatekeeper, but the results are always the same.

      If the Gatekeeper has been added after the creation of the other rules, it will appear later in the list.

      The only way around would be to add another ruleset and copy the rules ONE by ONE! in the exact order as you would like them in your report.

      regelsatz reihefolge 01.jpg

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        @marchi

        I have added the information from this posting along with the ones referenced therein to the existing issues logged with our development team regarding this problem with the Result Summary.

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          @marchi

          That’s a good observation and visualisation you made there. I guess the key learnings for improvements are

          • rule order should be reflected as visible in Solibri (not sorted by the creation date=
          • deactivated rules should be able to be identiefied somehow - or there should be a setting to decide if they should be exported at all
          • better identification of gatekeepers - this is something I do manually at the moment by giving a hint in the description - which kinda works, I think they should stay within the same hierachy level as the rules, also because I figured out that this way a stepped “folder” logic can be better read by machine and therefore processed better, but this however requires manual hints within the gatekeepers - this should at least be improved
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            @john-lipp

            What’s the status here?

            Just got confused again as the export sort order is simply neglecting everything else than the invisible creation date. This is rather painful to fix when harvesting the information at the moment … copy/paste is the only solution working so far, but not really an option in productive environments where deleting active rules with results is the last thing we want.

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              @JSN

              I don’t have any updates regarding a fix for version 9.x as it is still under investigation.

              I ran a test using v10 alpha 2 as I suspected the issue could go away with the new .csetx file format, which is plain text.

              Using the alpha of version 10, I opened a v9.12 .cset that had the sort order issue, and it still had the sorting issue in that session with that cset. However after I resaved the .cset as a csetx, and reopened that ruleset, the result summary exported the ordering correctly.

              I see that you are part of the alpha testing of v10, so please give this a try and let me know what you find. I’ll update this thread if there is any updates in the meantime.

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                @john-lipp said in Rule Report Order:

                Using the alpha of version 10, I opened a v9.12 .cset that had the sort order issue, and it still had the sorting issue in that session with that cset. However after I resaved the .cset as a csetx, and reopened that ruleset, the result summary exported the ordering correctly.

                Thx for elaborating this - I will keep that in mind in the meantime!

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                  hi,
                  I haven´t had the chance to test the “*.csetx”, but this issue reoccured and here are some of further findings on this topic:

                  • the primary property for sorting is the Rule Nr. and when it was created - in my file it was #176, #11, #9, #231, #230
                  • the secondary property is the creation within the range of Rule Nr. - this can be partially influenced/rearranged by dragging the rule outside the ruleset and then moving it again inside

                  here is a picture from the export, where the rules are arranged by rule nr and then chronological:

                  ifc bericht reihenfolge.jpg

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                    We’ve reported this as an issue. You’ll get updates when this is fixed.

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                      @marchi @JSN

                      This is fixed in Solibri 9.13.2.

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